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Reply #15 - 07. Aug 2007 at 18:25
 
Hi Eliza:

I just remember these words of 'the Grand Docteur' A. Schweitzer.

“No one can give a definition of the soul.  But we know what it feels like.  The soul is the sense of something higher than ourselves, something that stirs in us thoughts, hopes, and aspirations which go out to the world of goodness, truth and beauty.  The soul is a burning desire to breathe in this world of light and never to lose it - to remain children of light.”

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Reply #16 - 07. Aug 2007 at 21:32
 
How beautiful his words are to me and I share his sentiment and his passion.  Thanks so much for sharing that passage.
Did you find that in one of his essays?  

Nice to meet you Alaok.  

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Reply #17 - 08. Aug 2007 at 12:59
 
Irene, my heart goes out to you. I hope you get a chance to see this before you depart on your adventurous journeys and new occupations, and I hope it all goes well for you and you can settle into your new situation with ease and without too many difficulties.
Your questions are demanding of serious, in-depth responses and I cannot do full justice to them now. I am glad of Eliza's reply to you, so full of warmth and wisdom.

On my part briefly only for now:
Yes, I do meditate and it helps me a great deal to keep my life on a reasonably calm and even keel. The "threshold" I mentioned has to do with my meditation, and refers to a point which you can reach, - or more truely - which reaches you, when you least expect it, - where you leave words behind and enter something else, something very hard to talk about but nevertheless something more real than anything else, something where you realise, that answers are possible. As you say, normally we cannot even immagine how answers COULD be possible.

I have found, that patience is an essencial ingredient on this search we seem to be enguaged in.

As for Schweitzer: he clearly thought very deeply about all these things and came to accept, that a sence of mystery was needed; - an acceptance, that there are things which are mysterious and which we are not meant to know and understand in our common way of understanding. Living with the mystery of Life and treating it with reverence was what he came to recommend to humanity as a way forward.

I my six months of living and working with him at his hospital in Africa I came to the conclusion, that he did not have what we call "circling thoughts"; - that is, thoughts which go round and round in our head more or less on their own volition and not in our control. A thought to him was as actual as a spoken word and he was as conscious and in control of his thoughts as we would be of our speech, if not more so, since we often speak and think afterwards, "what have we said".

I think I learnt from him the importance of giving full attention to what I am doing, - not that I have mastered this that well as yet, - but when you are giving full attention, the answers you need at that moment seem to be there, available to you; and answers seperated from action tend to be empty and theoretical.

This is all I can say now, but I do hope you will find your way back to us when you have settled into your new situation. My very best wishes go with you!

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Reply #18 - 08. Aug 2007 at 17:47
 
Percy!!  
You got to work at the hospital in Africa?  IM SO JEALOUS!!  It's been my dream to live and work there.  
I recently watched a documentary on DR. Schweitzer and I was so captivated by watching him that I could almost feel myself there with him!  
I would love to hear more stories about him.

A couple of years ago, I searched for books on Schweitzer and found very few that were available.  A friend of mine found some used books in an old thrift store in Wales and mailed them to me.  I was thrilled!  

Schweitzer seemed to be able to strike a very practical and realistic balance in his life between knowing what was necessary and what wasn't.  I follow this same general rule in my own life when it comes to preserving life.  But, I have a different standard for humans than animals and children.  I believe that humans should have the right to decide how and when they want to die.  But, animals don't and it's not up to humans to decide their fate by unnatural and unnecessary means.  

Your own definition of your personal ' threshold' is what I refer to as a cathartic moment of enlightment when all of a sudden our fragmented experiences in life come together and provide some profound understanding and wisdom.  Isn't it absolutely awesome when that happens?  

I am short on time again.  But, I wanted to share my immediate thoughts with you in response to your thoughts. But, I'm eager to learn more about your term with the Dr.  
I would also be interested to hear your thoughts about how society perceived him at that time and if you believe that people today perceive his philosophy any differently.  

I was also curious to know how involved Schweitzer was with his own family.  I didn't realize that he had children until I watched the documentary on him.  

I must run for now.  
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Reply #19 - 08. Aug 2007 at 19:54
 
Your question, Lizzie (that's a nice name, if I may call you that) promts me to consider whether we, the commiittee members, should post on our Website our stories of how we came to be interested in Schweitzer. I will certainly do mine, then I can let you know where to find it.
But I was going to ask you exactly the same question. You seem to know a lot about Schweitzer's phiposophy and his ethics. How did you first come across him?
You mention Wales; - is that where you live? We do have a number of books by and about Schweitzer, some of which you can buy from us if you are interested. (You do appreciate that we are of course a charity, raising money for all sorts of projects to do with Reverence for Life)

You ask about whether Schweitzer's philosophy is perceived differently now from the time when I was with him, -  which was in 1962/3.

He himself called that time the "golden time of his hospital", but it was also the time when journalistic criticism started to make itself heard, mainly about questions of hygene and the education of the Gabonese. However, when he died in 1965 the Times said he was perhaps the greatest human being of the century, and in Germany he was number three in a pole of the best known/most famous persons.

Obviously, that is very different now. In this country the BBC did a great job in "debunking" him in several TV programs, so that by now hardly anybody has heard of him or his philosophy and those that vaguely remember his name can't quite remember why or where they have heard it.

Except, that there is a new generation of people like you,  who come across his ethics and his thoughts and recognise the deep relevance they have in our time.
That is why it would be of great interest to us, to know how you came to meet with his ideas.

About his family: he had one daughter called Rhena who lives in the USA. His family life was difficult, because his wife Helene, who went out to Africa with him initially, contracted TB when they were imprisoned during the First World War and from then on her health was not strong enough to withstand the climate in the Gabon. So they had to spend a great deal of time apart.

Of course there would be lots more to say in answer to your questions, but this will have to do for now.
I'm sure we'll talk again soon.
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Reply #20 - 09. Aug 2007 at 00:26
 
Hi,

Dr. Schweitzer's fame became increasingly widespread over the years, and many journalists and other curious people flocked to Lambaréné to see him in action. But even -- perhaps especially -- here his ingenious individuality asserted itself. Dr. Schweitzer was frequently known to say that "everyone must find his own Lambaréné."

Where is my Lambaréné?

In the Primeval Forest?  In the fabelas "do Brazil"?  In Sabra and Shatila?

YES.!!
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Reply #21 - 09. Aug 2007 at 10:54
 
Hi Alaok
Are you going to tell us where "here" is?

I do so agree with you: "Where is my Lambarene?" - that is the question!!!!
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Reply #22 - 09. Aug 2007 at 18:45
 
Percy,
I had the same curious thought about how each of us came to know about Dr. S and why we wanted to incorporate his philosophies into our own lives.  Before I share my own experience, I was wondering where the online store is?  I'm in the USA.
My first introduction to the Dr. was when I was a young child-about ten years old or so.  I had a sick dog who meant the world to me and I had my mom drive us to our veterinanarian who was a bit like the Dr....unconventiional and very passionate about caring for ALL animals. It was late at night when we visited his office on his home farm and I found him holding and nursing  a  fawn who's mother had been shot and killed.  He had no lights on -just a fire blazing in the fireplace and he and the deer sat quietly in the glow.  But, while I was there, I looked on his wall and saw a prayer for animals and Dr. Schweizer's name was on the bottom.  I scribbled it down on a piece of paper and kept it for years.   It was not the same exact prayer that Schweitzer wrote as a young boy.  But, you may know of this prayer for animals.  For years, I thought that Dr. Schweitzer was a Vet!  
My second encounter with the Dr. was in High School.  I must have been about 17 or 18 years old and I heard about the Nobel Peace Prize.  I was always an advocate of Peace and wanted to learn more about this honor.  I did some research and discovered that the Dr. had received this award.
The odd thing is that I still didn't know very much about the doctor or I should say begin to truly appreciate on a personal level, his philosophy until I was in my late thirties and early forties.  I had an absolutely dreadful and hearbreaking experience and turned to Schweitzer's words for comfort and completely integrated his words into my heart and life.
It was June 18,2003 and I had just finished my dinner when I heard my husband shout a curse word and throw our dishes in the sink and run outside.  The man who lives behind me was shooting and killing the wild rabbits that I treasured so much. I was panicked because they had a litter of babies and I knew they could not survive without their mother.  I stood there helpless unable to stop him in time.  I fell to the ground screaming as I watched this man stomp the rabbits to death with his bare feet after he had shot them.  Then, he proudly tossed their carcasses in his trash can.  Percy, I was so devastated by this heinous event that I couldn't speak for days and I have never felt such anger and disgust toward anyone in my life.  Tears would run down my cheeks all day long.  I felt as if my breath was gone.  Most of all,  I hated feeling all that anger. I felt that there was no hope for humanity and I didn't even want to look or speak to another human.  
But, I had the babies to care for and so I knew that I could not waste time loathing. I had to focus on their survival.  But, then, for what?  For them to grow up and this man kill them too?  
I came inside my office one day and started reading every bit of Schweitzer's words that I could find.  I talked to him, begged him to help me find the strength and courage to forigve that awful man and most of all to not lose a part of myself that was so loving, trusting and hopeful.  I had been a teacher , instructing people to create backyard habitats and I felt like I had lured these animals to their death.
Long story short.  All the babies died except for one.  I eventually named her Beatrice.  Two weeks after that horrible incident , I got up one night out of bed and discoved that the man's house was completely in flames!  Percy, I stood there watching this man's house burn to the ground and I felt horrible for him.  I asked God, ' Why would you allow this man to suffer such a loss when it will not cause him to reflect on killing those rabbits. ".  God said very clearly to me, ' Elizabeth, this fire is not to punish  this man, it serves to remind you that you are a loving woman who doesn't hate and who does not gloat on anyone's misery, even if they have hurt you".  My gosh, it was the most cathartic lesson of my life and to this day, I focus on being my true self despite the pain and suffering that others will inflict.  
That event caused me to study Dr. Schweitzer's words and life in much greater depth.  I felt that he was the only human that could relate to my suffering and help me recover and find a way to serve this earth and humanity.  I often refer to him as my spiritual mentor.  
Since Beatrice, I have had several generations of rabbits live here in peace and I keep a journal of them with pictures.  Right now, I have Beatrice's' grand daughter, Luna and her two kittens named Sola and Shasta ( after the daisy that she eats).  I still have to worry about my neighbor though. He kills just to kill.  He knows nothing else.  
Last year, I received a beautiful painting of Melangell by Jen Delyth, a Welsh artist.  Familiar with Melangell?  She's the protector of Hares.  I was VERY touched by this very thoughtful gift.  
I'm short on characters in this post but I will share more with you in future posts.  I've learned so much from the rabbits about patience, forgiveness, and when we should intervene and when we shouild allow nature to run her course.  
Peace and Joy, Lizzie
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Reply #23 - 11. Aug 2007 at 09:00
 
Lizzie
I,m speechless. For two days since reading your account I have not been knowing what to say for fear of saying something glib and shallow in the light of such a moving story.
I have drawn it to the attention of a member of our committee, Caroline, who like you is a special carer of animals.
In a little while we will have to speak about whether we can quote your story and perhaps some animal anecdotes you might have in one of our News Letters.
You can see our last News Letter in another part of this web-site and it contains an animal story from Caroline. ( unfortunately the print is a bit fuzzy - we're working on that)
My own story will have to wait a bit because just now ai have some work to complete, which requires my full concentration; - but that should be over in 2-3 weeks and then I will be back again.
You enquire about an 'online store'; - I'm afraid we do not have such a thing yet. You know, I'm sure, that we are in England and we operate out of our home. If you were interested in dome books we would have to send them to you or find a source for you in the USA. There a several Schweitzer organisations in the USA with which we can put you in touch if you don't already know about them.

In a previous posting you refer to what I called a 'threshold' as a 'cathartic moment of enlightenment'; - we would call such a moment a 'peak experience' and you clearly had the 'grandfather' of these!
What I called a threshold for Irene is something else: it is something that I meet in meditation and when I manage to step accross it, or am allowed to step accross it, I am in a state which I imagine is similar to what it will be like after death; - a state in which there in no need, - no desire - for movement of any sort. All is still and content with the stillness. There remains a knowing 'that the job isn't yet done' and that 'movement' must come again, but for the moment it is a taste of the possibility of eternity, which Irene found hard to even contemplate.

I must go now. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us; it is like a light on an otherwise often dark horizon.
Take care and accept my very best wishes
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Reply #24 - 11. Aug 2007 at 15:33
 
Percy,
I don't have time right now to cmplete all my thoughts.  But, I wanted to just say that I don't mind at all if you use any part of my story.  If my experience can empower or enlighten someone else, then it makes my tragedy worthwhile.  However, I would like to add a few things to it before you make any considerations.  Please send my thanks to Caroline for sharing her love and compassion with the animals.

Oh, in the meantime, you may want to do a little research on a fellow named Mark Bittner....the man from San Fransisco California who cared for the Parrots on Telegraph Hill.  He has become an acquaintance of mine and his story is so inspirational.  Mark has encouraged me to write a book about my experience with the rabbits.  There is a documentary on DVD called, ' The Parrots of Telegraph Hill'.  I highly recommend it!

I'll be back later today.  

Love, Peace and Joy,
Lizzie
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Reply #25 - 13. Aug 2007 at 12:38
 
Greetings one and all.

I have debated with myself for weeks and thought I should add my story as to where I first learnt about Doctor Schwetizer, his amazing work and the influence and impact it has had on my life to date.

I was born and raised Catholic and attended the local Catholic school along with my younger brother and many cousins. At school, there was daily Religious Education lessons which covered many aspects of my faith and the like.

I remember one particular lesson (I don't remember what grade I was in...think it may have either been Grade 6 or 7) when we were discussing people who showed faith and were an example of Christ's teachings in the way they lived their lives.  We had discussed people like Nelson Mandela (who is also a personal hero of mine), Gandhi (another hero) Martin Luther King Jr, Mother Teresa and of course Doctor Schweitzer.

I remember thinking how amazing it was that he had such an understanding about not only his place in the world, but how his actions and our actions as humans as a whole affect all aspects of life on Earth. I remember hearing and loving the story about how he saw a nest of ants on his building site and told the workers to stop working and waited until each and every ant had moved on before starting work again. I'm not sure if the phrase "Reverance For Life" was used in the classroom that day, but that story has always stuck with me.

I had a huge crisis of faith in the year 2000 after watching my much-loved Grandmother succumb to lung cancer, three days after her 80th birthday. While my faith certianly provided comfort during this time, I started to question things I had always taken for granted and very nearly considered cutting all ties to the church. I now identfy myself as being Catholic with Zen Buddhist leanings (much to my father's distress) and for the first time in a very long time, I can honestly say that while I am always questioning myself, my faith and my place in the world and will contiune to strive to find ways that enable me to live my life in accordance with God's will, Buddha's teachings and the philosophy and example of Doctor Schweitzer and others.

Hope this hasn't bored you, but I felt that it was time I shared it with you all. There are other stories I would like to share with you, but this is neither the time nor the place.

Take care.

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Reply #26 - 13. Aug 2007 at 13:41
 
Hi Megan!

I loved hearing about your experience.  It's hardly boring!  I remember the story about the ants too.  Isn't it interesting how those type of stories stick with us?  I think it's a measure of a person's spiritual character when they are touched by such stories.  

' Seek and ye shall find'

I think that any wise man, be it Jesus or Buddha or St. Francis, would agree that questioning is an essential element in spiritual maturity that never ends.  In my own opinion, as harsh as this may sound, anyone who believes that they have all the answers and that they know only one way to spiritual fulfillment is either a narcissistic kook or someone who is in denial or both!  

I've studied Buddhism, Christianity, Quakerism, and Judaism and even though I have carried many of their teachings in my heart, I have come to the conclusion that if anyone needs for me to define my religion for them, then I would have to say I'm Pagan because I really don't recognize any boundary between nature and anything Divine ( and I'm a tree-hugger..hehehe) and religions are ego-based.   I do believe in a Creator.  But, it is difficult for me to define my creator because I believe that it is a source of Divine universal energy that lives within each of us and is replicated in every living creature on a molecular level that manifests itself spiritually IF we choose to allow it to do so.  Of course, religion would not exist if it were not for our egos and that is why rabbits don't go to church!    I tend to believe that every living entity on this earth contains a Divine spirit even though they may not behave so Divinely.  Percy wrote about his threshold and I just realized that perhaps his threshold experience is a true spiritual experience where there is no ego, the mind is still, and we are completely as one with the universe and our creator.  If only we could experience that kind of alignment in all moments.
Megan, I can hear your passion for life in your words and I think that it is indeed, passion, that fuels our spiritual life.  A truly sincere passion isn't something that is manufactured by anything external and it can't be destroyed by anything external.  Sometimes I have felt that being so passionate was a curse, a burden that I didn't want to bear.  But, I've come to accept that it is the very source of life in me and it is wrong to deny it.  Just imagine all the things that would be different if Dr. Schweitzer had denied his own passion.  I wouldn't even be sitting here writing you.

The Zen Buddhists bow slightly toward one another, enough to show the top of their head...the crown of Divine light.... as a way of acknowledging the other person's Divinity.  I think that it's a beautiful and respectful and loving gesture.  

So, I will bow to you now Cheesy  Have a good day and thanks again for sharing your story.

Lizzie
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Reply #27 - 14. Aug 2007 at 08:05
 
I experienced the incident with the ants myself in Lambarene.
One of the dormitory buildings was being extended in anticipation of the many visitors from all over the world who would turn up there to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Schweitzer's first arrival in Africa. This was in the Autumn1962. I had recently arrived there and as a young architect I naturally tried to make myself useful on the building site.
Schweitzer, 88 years old then, would spend 2 to 3 hours every morning keeping an eye on, and occationally directing operations there, usually accompanied by some professor or journalist who wanted to discuss a philosophical theory or political situation with him. (In the afternoons he would sit at his desk, down in the Pharmacy, where the medicines were being administered, and write letters.)

We were digging foundation pits for the concrete footings that would support the main posts of the structure and came across a large stone which had to be moved.
When we had leavered it out, there was a large ant colony below it. As soon as the scurrying ants became visible Schweitzer announced a tea break.
We all went to our favourite place to sit down, tea was brought, chat went on, - and when everyone returned to the foundation trench, the ants had gone. - and Schweitzer, with a twinkle in his eye explained to his visitor, that the type of wood they were using for the main structure was so hard, that the ants would run out of dentists to mend their teeth if they tried to attack his posts.

Aha! those were the days......! I shouldnt' really be doing this, but getting on with my work, - but I couldn't resist this one, since you both, Megan and Lizzie, mentioned this story. Isn't it wonderful, that we can share our stories like this.......
But I'll have to put in my two penneth worth about "Religion" another day.
May I join your Zen Bow?    Percy
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Reply #28 - 14. Aug 2007 at 10:18
 
You were there Percy?? How cool is that!! Smiley

I don't know why that story has stuck with me for over 20 years but it seemed to sum up his philosophy perfectly. You were so lucky to be there to witness it first hand. I often imagine what it must have been like.

I look forward to your thoughts on religon too Wink. I return your "Zen Bow" and say "Namaste" (which means "I bow to you" in Sanskirt)

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Reply #29 - 14. Aug 2007 at 10:59
 
Good Day Percy!  ((  bow ))

The Doctor was 88 years old then?  WOW!!!!!  He sure didn't look that old in the documentary!  I thought he was rather handsome and vibrant!  I hope I look that handsome when I'm 88..hahaha

A few years ago I posted on a site called ' Beliefnet' about the Dr. and his Reverence for Life and how it related to being vegetarian.  I included the excerpt about the farmer who carelessly strikes a weed while driving down the road in his truck.  Obviously the Dr. was trying to teach us about being more sensitive to and aware of our surroundings but the folks on that site did not respond very positively.  One man wrote that Schweitzer was a neurotic who had too much time on his hands.  I was rather shocked by the angry and rather ugly responses that I received since it was an animal rights forum and vegetarian forum.  I just assumed that they would be more insightful and compassionate.  Ah, such unrealistic expectations about people, eh?  It wasn't the first time that humanity disappointed me with their shallow mindset.  But, eventually, a couple of folks on there DID take the time to read my post in depth and actually make an intelligent and insightful response.  Let's see, the stats were probably in the range of 2 out of 20?  I suppose that's better than zero.

As I was writing, I was reminded of a recent experience I had with a coworker.  I work part time at the Marine Institute and assist scientists/Biologists in field work and laboratory analysis.  I wanted this job because I wanted to give back to the environment/the Bay and do something interesting and unrelated to my usual work as a Biologist.  But, a friend of mine said, ' wow, you're really fortunate that you can work around people who care about the environment' and I said, why do you assume they care?  I didn't want to appear cynical but the fact is that many scientists lose the passion that fueled their interest and their projects become nothing more than a series of mere tasks-  similar to the way a doctor views an organ in the human body.  A heart for instance is just a heart, not ' someone's ' heart.  One day my boss and I were out field sampling and I heard several gunshots and I commented on them.  During our conversation she said, ' I don't mind guns, in fact, I have several and I will use them if any animal decides to eat my garden'.  ( I reached for a Zen moment when she said that).  I told her that I was opposed to killing animals and that I didn't believe that people should use guns but if I had to defend myself against a human, I would be more inclined to use it on a human vs. a wild animal.  She said, ' Well, obviously , you have never had a groundhog in your garden'.  I said, ' Actually,  I do.  But, I grow it for them as well as myself and so, I just make certain that I plant enough for all of us'.  She had a look of shame on her face and the other scientists didn't say a word but I could tell that they found my response interesting.  

It's all too easy to become so blinded and blundted and ignorant due to our social conditioning.  Like the man who lives behind me, many have a Pavlovian response to animals in their yard ( as well as many things in life)  and they just kill them without any logical reasoning or even any compassion.  There isn't a second thought about taking the life of an animal.  Some of the popular religions here teach that animals are beneath us and only here to serve us and be a source of food.  It's so important that each of us make conscious choices by understanding the full impact of what we are doing.  Blind faith doesn't work for me and never has.  I was the child who questioned everything  and when I had to do something that didn't make sense, I didn't do it!  You can only imagine the challenge my teachers faced!  hehehe

In God's Peace,
Lizzie
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